Check your owner's link. Here is the "official" recall news.
07-03-2004, 05:13 PM
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Check your owner's link. Here is the "official" recall news.
This was posted on my owner's link as one of the recalls:
April 26, 2004
Recall Campaign: Automatic Transmission Second Gear Inspection
Dear Acura Owner:
Your vehicle is affected by the automatic transmission recall that was recently announced.
What is the problem?
Certain operating conditions can result in heat build-up between the second gears of the transmission's countershaft and secondary shaft. Prolonged operation under these conditions can eventually result in a decrease in the gear's material strength. In higher mileage vehicles, this may lead to chipped or broken gear teeth or, in rare instances, gear failure.
What are "certain operating conditions"?
Extended cruising in top gear with a high engine load but small throttle opening can result in limited oil flow to second gear, causing localized heat build-up. These conditions should be rare. Examples may include extended towing in top gear on a very flat road with a throttle opening of 1/4 or less; or frequent driving up a road with a very consistent slope of approximately 3.5~6%, again maintaining a throttle opening around 1/4 or less.
Under most circumstances, small road undulations or throttle corrections cause the vehicle to go in and out of torque converter lock-up, varying engine rpm, and therefore increasing oil flow to the gears. Increased oil flow dissipates heat and prevents second gear damage.
What should I do now? Can I continue to drive?
Occurrences of lock-up due to gear breakage are very rare, especially at low mileage. There are no confirmed failures in U.S. vehicles with mileage less than 60,000 miles. Acura will notify customers to visit their dealership according to vehicle age, allowing us to efficiently schedule parts and repairs. Please contact your dealer when you receive your notice, or sooner if you notice any abnormal noises from your transmission.
How and when will Acura begin to notify owners?
Mailings began in early May and will continue until September or until all customers have been notified. We recommend that customers wait until they are notified before trying to schedule an appointment. This will allow us to carry out the most efficient, effective and timely campaign.
What is the dealer looking for when inspecting the transmission?
Vehicles with less than 15,000 miles - The technician will update the transmission with a simple modification to the oil cooler return line to increase lubrication to second gear.
Vehicles with more than 15,000 miles - The technician will inspect the second gear for discoloration of the gear due to heat damage. If there is any evidence of heat damage, the transmission will be replaced. If discoloration is not present, the dealer will perform the modification to the oil cooler return line.
What is this "simple modification to the oil cooler return line"?
It is a relatively simple repair involving the installation of an "oil jet kit" that is mounted on the top of the transmission. The modification works by taking a portion of the transmission fluid that is flowing back from the cooling system and spraying that fluid directly onto the affected gear, eliminating the potential for heat damage.
How can I be sure I won't have problems with this repair in later years, after the warranty period has expired?
For vehicles affected by this campaign, installation of the oil kit provides a permanent repair.
Should my vehicle be towed to the dealership?
If you experience transmission noise or transmission lock-up, the vehicle should be towed to the dealership. If not, it can be driven to the dealership when the appointment is scheduled.
Is there a way for me or my independent repair facility to diagnose this problem?
No, your vehicle must be taken to an authorized Acura dealership for a thorough inspection and accurate repair.
Why is the dealer repair different from the manufacturing repair?
The manufacturing change was relatively easy to accomplish during transmission production, but to apply the same repair at the dealership would require transmission removal and disassembly. Installation of the oil kit is a permanent repair that is easily accomplished at the dealership.
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April 26, 2004
Recall Campaign: Automatic Transmission Second Gear Inspection
Dear Acura Owner:
Your vehicle is affected by the automatic transmission recall that was recently announced.
What is the problem?
Certain operating conditions can result in heat build-up between the second gears of the transmission's countershaft and secondary shaft. Prolonged operation under these conditions can eventually result in a decrease in the gear's material strength. In higher mileage vehicles, this may lead to chipped or broken gear teeth or, in rare instances, gear failure.
What are "certain operating conditions"?
Extended cruising in top gear with a high engine load but small throttle opening can result in limited oil flow to second gear, causing localized heat build-up. These conditions should be rare. Examples may include extended towing in top gear on a very flat road with a throttle opening of 1/4 or less; or frequent driving up a road with a very consistent slope of approximately 3.5~6%, again maintaining a throttle opening around 1/4 or less.
Under most circumstances, small road undulations or throttle corrections cause the vehicle to go in and out of torque converter lock-up, varying engine rpm, and therefore increasing oil flow to the gears. Increased oil flow dissipates heat and prevents second gear damage.
What should I do now? Can I continue to drive?
Occurrences of lock-up due to gear breakage are very rare, especially at low mileage. There are no confirmed failures in U.S. vehicles with mileage less than 60,000 miles. Acura will notify customers to visit their dealership according to vehicle age, allowing us to efficiently schedule parts and repairs. Please contact your dealer when you receive your notice, or sooner if you notice any abnormal noises from your transmission.
How and when will Acura begin to notify owners?
Mailings began in early May and will continue until September or until all customers have been notified. We recommend that customers wait until they are notified before trying to schedule an appointment. This will allow us to carry out the most efficient, effective and timely campaign.
What is the dealer looking for when inspecting the transmission?
Vehicles with less than 15,000 miles - The technician will update the transmission with a simple modification to the oil cooler return line to increase lubrication to second gear.
Vehicles with more than 15,000 miles - The technician will inspect the second gear for discoloration of the gear due to heat damage. If there is any evidence of heat damage, the transmission will be replaced. If discoloration is not present, the dealer will perform the modification to the oil cooler return line.
What is this "simple modification to the oil cooler return line"?
It is a relatively simple repair involving the installation of an "oil jet kit" that is mounted on the top of the transmission. The modification works by taking a portion of the transmission fluid that is flowing back from the cooling system and spraying that fluid directly onto the affected gear, eliminating the potential for heat damage.
How can I be sure I won't have problems with this repair in later years, after the warranty period has expired?
For vehicles affected by this campaign, installation of the oil kit provides a permanent repair.
Should my vehicle be towed to the dealership?
If you experience transmission noise or transmission lock-up, the vehicle should be towed to the dealership. If not, it can be driven to the dealership when the appointment is scheduled.
Is there a way for me or my independent repair facility to diagnose this problem?
No, your vehicle must be taken to an authorized Acura dealership for a thorough inspection and accurate repair.
Why is the dealer repair different from the manufacturing repair?
The manufacturing change was relatively easy to accomplish during transmission production, but to apply the same repair at the dealership would require transmission removal and disassembly. Installation of the oil kit is a permanent repair that is easily accomplished at the dealership.
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07-14-2004, 12:47 AM
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So..will they replace our trannies with "new" ones instead of "rebuilt" ones now???
My CL hasn't really acted up on me yet but it started making strange "click" noise when I shift from R to D or step on the gas on the road. (I can definitely feel/tell that the noise comes from transmission)
Does it sound like "acting up"?? I also notice lags between gears, especially between 2nd, 3rd and 4th.
Thanks guys!!
My CL hasn't really acted up on me yet but it started making strange "click" noise when I shift from R to D or step on the gas on the road. (I can definitely feel/tell that the noise comes from transmission)
Does it sound like "acting up"?? I also notice lags between gears, especially between 2nd, 3rd and 4th.
Thanks guys!!
07-17-2004, 01:09 PM
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I think that recall if for the MDX only. None of the CL and TL is under that recall. I installed that oil jet kit in my CL but that is just me F#@king around.
07-19-2004, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by sgmotoring
I think that recall if for the MDX only. None of the CL and TL is under that recall. I installed that oil jet kit in my CL but that is just me F#@king around.
I get the same info for my 2001 CL Type-S.
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Originally Posted by ball4lyfe
So..will they replace our trannies with "new" ones instead of "rebuilt" ones now???
My CL hasn't really acted up on me yet but it started making strange "click" noise when I shift from R to D or step on the gas on the road. (I can definitely feel/tell that the noise comes from transmission)
Does it sound like "acting up"?? I also notice lags between gears, especially between 2nd, 3rd and 4th.
Thanks guys!!
My CL hasn't really acted up on me yet but it started making strange "click" noise when I shift from R to D or step on the gas on the road. (I can definitely feel/tell that the noise comes from transmission)
Does it sound like "acting up"?? I also notice lags between gears, especially between 2nd, 3rd and 4th.
Thanks guys!!
The click noise from R - D & D - R is a shift fork; that noise is normal.
I don't know that having some lag between gears is a problem...
07-23-2004, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by EL_CLS
The letter at the top is for the CL/CLS/TL/TLS.
I get the same info for my 2001 CL Type-S.
I get the same info for my 2001 CL Type-S.
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08-16-2004, 02:39 AM
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How does this affect the Saturn Redline models?
Could Honda have possibly sold them the same defective transmissions, or might they have sold GM an updated version?
Might I propose a simple solution to all this? Couldn't the problem be solved with an auxiliary transmission cooler, or does it go deeper than that?
BTW, props to the Honda/Acura Enthusiast community. Had I not bought the VUE I would never have known just how passionate Honda Enthusiasts are, nor how elegantly engineered the aftermarket upgrades were.
Might I propose a simple solution to all this? Couldn't the problem be solved with an auxiliary transmission cooler, or does it go deeper than that?
BTW, props to the Honda/Acura Enthusiast community. Had I not bought the VUE I would never have known just how passionate Honda Enthusiasts are, nor how elegantly engineered the aftermarket upgrades were.
08-16-2004, 02:58 AM
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Could Honda have possibly sold them the same defective transmissions, or might they have sold GM an updated version?
Might I propose a simple solution to all this? Couldn't the problem be solved with an auxiliary transmission cooler, or does it go deeper than that?
BTW, props to the Honda/Acura Enthusiast community. Had I not bought the VUE I would never have known just how passionate Honda Enthusiasts are, nor how elegantly engineered the aftermarket upgrades were.
Might I propose a simple solution to all this? Couldn't the problem be solved with an auxiliary transmission cooler, or does it go deeper than that?
BTW, props to the Honda/Acura Enthusiast community. Had I not bought the VUE I would never have known just how passionate Honda Enthusiasts are, nor how elegantly engineered the aftermarket upgrades were.
So, now all those people think that Honda/Acura finally stepped up to their responsibility and is now fixing the problem -- eh, not really. The REAL problem is still there, unanswered, unresolved. The reburbished replacement units with "the fix" are still breaking down, and even members with later batch '03 models that supposedly received the fix during its production year, thus exempt from the extended transmission warranty are losing their transmissions. I'm one of them, and I'm just counting days until my transmission goes out. The pattern I've noticed is that they usually go at about an interval of 35k miles or so; I'm at 27k. Getting closer and closer. You bet your ass that I'm not going to make any long trips or go on the highway much when 35k rolls around.
Honda/Acura's actions have been severely disappointing.
Now, I don't pretend to be a transmission specialist. But I've checked out the schematics of both the 4-speed and the 5-speed, and the third gear assembly is basically stuck on to the side of the 4-speed unit. It makes me believe that the 3rd gear was simply added-on, without extensive (or enough) testing, bringing huge repercussions. Now they are paying for their mistakes, but it's not enough for us. I believe that we deserve entirely newly designed transmissions, and replaced at no charge. But no, that'll cost waaaay too much. That's why Honda/Acura is doing this recall -- it's only costing them 76-some million dollars and I'm sure in the back of the mind of the executives, they thought, "Hopefully this will make those idiotic public think that our transmission are OK now."
Don't tell me they didn't -- everything points in that direction and it probably is what happened. Bastards. I hope the lawsuit goes well, so we can have a court order to replace all of our transmission with new units designed from scratch. Then they will think twice in the future before screwing their customers over.
08-16-2004, 03:04 AM
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VUE --
Sorry, forgot to answer that part of your question. No, the transmission cooler wouldn't do much. In fact, the newer TL/CL (and I think the MDX, as well) have a built-in cooler. But they still fail.
Some member have installed the Comptech transmission cooler, but their units still failed at the average failure pattern.
Sorry, forgot to answer that part of your question. No, the transmission cooler wouldn't do much. In fact, the newer TL/CL (and I think the MDX, as well) have a built-in cooler. But they still fail.
Some member have installed the Comptech transmission cooler, but their units still failed at the average failure pattern.
08-16-2004, 11:11 AM
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Well THAT s*cks! Maybe the GM/Honda Co-Op will net Hydramatic transmissions for all these powertrains? GM is already working with Ford on a 6 spd Automatic transmission and they are both working on parallel programs to develop an automatic transmission with mild hybrid technology built into the same package. In other words, they're working on AT's that would allow an automobile with a fairly typical powertrain configuration, and still enjoy the fuel efficiency benefits of hybrids. This should bring the cost of these vehicles WAY down and allow hybrid technology to be incorporated in the majority of models, rather than just a select few.
08-16-2004, 11:17 AM
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I still say that an ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure, so I'll be looking into installing a tranny cooler anyway. Most AT failure is due to heat, so it's only logical that keeping it cooler will at least help a little.
Any other suggestions in the meantime. I should push for a 100,000 mile warranty on this transmission shouldn't I? Saturn is used to it, given their problems with the CVT/VTI transmission on the four-cylinder VUES. It figures they'd move from one defective transmission to another. Maybe we can push for the 6 Spd. Manual from the TL? That'd be nice!!!
Any other suggestions in the meantime. I should push for a 100,000 mile warranty on this transmission shouldn't I? Saturn is used to it, given their problems with the CVT/VTI transmission on the four-cylinder VUES. It figures they'd move from one defective transmission to another. Maybe we can push for the 6 Spd. Manual from the TL? That'd be nice!!!
08-25-2004, 11:26 AM
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Ya know.. If it wasn't for the Internet and this AWESOME site.. 99% of us would be in the dark. thank GOD for this place.
allen- I saw a post with a pic or two showing the oil jet mod. It's in here somewhere...
allen- I saw a post with a pic or two showing the oil jet mod. It's in here somewhere...
08-25-2004, 12:35 PM
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Cooler couldn't hurt. It's not a panacea...
Originally Posted by Pure Adrenaline
VUE --
Sorry, forgot to answer that part of your question. No, the transmission cooler wouldn't do much. In fact, the newer TL/CL (and I think the MDX, as well) have a built-in cooler. But they still fail.
Some member have installed the Comptech transmission cooler, but their units still failed at the average failure pattern.
Sorry, forgot to answer that part of your question. No, the transmission cooler wouldn't do much. In fact, the newer TL/CL (and I think the MDX, as well) have a built-in cooler. But they still fail.
Some member have installed the Comptech transmission cooler, but their units still failed at the average failure pattern.
While the cooler may not fix the problem, it couldn't hurt. The folks at V/R recommend the installation.
The ATF gets way too hot.
Unfortunately, the clutch packs still sizzle as you can only a limited amount of cool ATF into them – and this will limit the effectiveness of the ATF cooler.
I talked to V/R and they highly recommended putting a cooler on.
To frame things another way: if I went to the trouble to get a tranny with carbon/Kevlar clutch packs (disks), I'd pay to add a cooler.
And, while the additional tranny cooler is not going to make the problems go away. OTOH, the existing ATF-to-coolant unit is pretty small -- even for a fluid-to-fluid intercooler.
08-25-2004, 01:43 PM
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I have just bought a 99 CL 3.0, joined here and just took my first trip to Owner Slink....I saw nothing about this recall. SHould I pursue this with the dealer or is there a place (e.g. www.acura-something.) that details the info? I am not averse to adding the cooler though I am hugely bummed to see all the tranny deaths here. How do you size the cooler appropriately? Should you base the size on the volume of fluid in the system...e.g. say + 50%?
THis is a great site.....I hope my tranny holds. I did get the extended warranty, have 56k now so I have 44k mi and like 2 years on the warranty. I have seen two or three coolers recommended and will look them up.. it all the same technology though right?
THis is a great site.....I hope my tranny holds. I did get the extended warranty, have 56k now so I have 44k mi and like 2 years on the warranty. I have seen two or three coolers recommended and will look them up.. it all the same technology though right?
08-25-2004, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jefster
I have just bought a 99 CL 3.0, joined here and just took my first trip to Owner Slink....I saw nothing about this recall. SHould I pursue this with the dealer or is there a place (e.g. www.acura-something.) that details the info? I am not averse to adding the cooler though I am hugely bummed to see all the tranny deaths here. How do you size the cooler appropriately? Should you base the size on the volume of fluid in the system...e.g. say + 50%?
THis is a great site.....I hope my tranny holds. I did get the extended warranty, have 56k now so I have 44k mi and like 2 years on the warranty. I have seen two or three coolers recommended and will look them up.. it all the same technology though right?
THis is a great site.....I hope my tranny holds. I did get the extended warranty, have 56k now so I have 44k mi and like 2 years on the warranty. I have seen two or three coolers recommended and will look them up.. it all the same technology though right?
If you sniff around in the first gen forum HERE:
First Generation CL (1997-1999)
you might be able to post a thread similar to:
"Do you guys know about any recalls for my 99 3.0 CL?"
And you could put the following in THIS forum -- tranny forum -- it *could* get more play:
"Anyone know of any recalls for a '99 3.0 CL -- current or past?"
09-14-2004, 09:59 AM
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Question...
Hm. I just got my recall notice this weekend. why'd mine take so long?
And bear with me, don't know much about my car. its a CL '03 automatic type S and i've heard that there are tranny problems with this car before i bought it, but i didn't care...i love this car. Anyhow, are there any tell signs that a tranny problem is about to occur? lately, i've noticed that sometimes when i accelerate, the car seems to shift down. what is that? anything i should be concerned about? help a girl out here...thanks
And bear with me, don't know much about my car. its a CL '03 automatic type S and i've heard that there are tranny problems with this car before i bought it, but i didn't care...i love this car. Anyhow, are there any tell signs that a tranny problem is about to occur? lately, i've noticed that sometimes when i accelerate, the car seems to shift down. what is that? anything i should be concerned about? help a girl out here...thanks
09-14-2004, 11:50 AM
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uvne- can you clarify the down shifting? It would seem to me a normal thing, unless, the downshifts are too early, or too late, thus causing a jerky motion.. or do you mean upshifting? which is also normal if you are in third gear, punch it, then it upshifts to second, or first...
09-14-2004, 01:44 PM
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actually its when the cars running at a constant speed, then all of a sudden i notice that the car sudddenly slows. it goes back up to speed, but that doesn't feel r. Its not a sudden jerk or anything, but it's noticable to me.
Or what kind of signs are hints that a tranny problem may occur? I guess Im always a little weary that there might be a problem with it..
maybe i'm just paranoid
Or what kind of signs are hints that a tranny problem may occur? I guess Im always a little weary that there might be a problem with it..
maybe i'm just paranoid
10-04-2004, 02:27 PM
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Dropped my TL-S off this morning.. I have a about 16,000 miles.
Whatever they do, I hope they do it right the first time.
(funny.. been a member for a year and have one post.. haah)
Whatever they do, I hope they do it right the first time.
(funny.. been a member for a year and have one post.. haah)
10-05-2004, 03:16 AM
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Can anyone tell me my RECALLS?!
I have a 2003 3.2 CL
I've got 26k KM's
I'm from Canada
Just got the car, any recalls, besides the tranny?!
I think I will have mine checked out, but never received any notices about anything.
Only thing I've gone back for warranty is my rear centre compartment lock didn't work
well, fell apart. And My gas warning light didn't come on, it was a crippled wire. And I complained about how my air con isn't that cold. My Honda Accord V6 gets colder! But they said it was normal.
I've got 26k KM's
I'm from Canada
Just got the car, any recalls, besides the tranny?!
I think I will have mine checked out, but never received any notices about anything.
Only thing I've gone back for warranty is my rear centre compartment lock didn't work
well, fell apart. And My gas warning light didn't come on, it was a crippled wire. And I complained about how my air con isn't that cold. My Honda Accord V6 gets colder! But they said it was normal.
01-18-2005, 08:44 PM
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I got my extended warranty notice earlier in the spring of 2004. I just got a card from Acura today telling me that I should take my CL into the shop for the required inspection. I smirked and said oh well, "Can't do that when it just went to the boneyard" !!!
Good news is I am awaiting for a blue 05 TL with navi, camel interior to come into the dealer!!! Glass Half Empty!!!
Good news is I am awaiting for a blue 05 TL with navi, camel interior to come into the dealer!!! Glass Half Empty!!!
05-27-2005, 05:33 PM
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finally got my damn recall letter but they're saying this was their third attempt. Lyin sacks of ball sniffers. Makin appt next week to have it checked out.
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Tranny issues - 98 3.0 CL
I know this is a late addition to the post, but I have a problem with my tranny. This kinda jus came up on thursday morning and seems to be an issue with CL's.
I ahve a 98 3.0 CL done almost 99K. All of a sudden the gears started slipping, specially between 1'st and 2'nd. They dont engage, the RPM revs up and they jerk a lot when they do change. Higher gears are smooth, mostly. It si only on low speeds, < 40mph that this issue comes up and specially when the car is not warmed up. Is this the sign of a tranny failure or something taht will not cause such a deep hole in muh pocket? I am taking it to AAMCO tomorrow morning to get an EDS done. Can someone tell me if there is a recall on the tranny for this model?
What si the best solution, I just might sell it off while I can by gettin a temp repair done. The EGR is causing the CEL to light up, but that can be taken care off under the recall.
Thanks guys
I ahve a 98 3.0 CL done almost 99K. All of a sudden the gears started slipping, specially between 1'st and 2'nd. They dont engage, the RPM revs up and they jerk a lot when they do change. Higher gears are smooth, mostly. It si only on low speeds, < 40mph that this issue comes up and specially when the car is not warmed up. Is this the sign of a tranny failure or something taht will not cause such a deep hole in muh pocket? I am taking it to AAMCO tomorrow morning to get an EDS done. Can someone tell me if there is a recall on the tranny for this model?
What si the best solution, I just might sell it off while I can by gettin a temp repair done. The EGR is causing the CEL to light up, but that can be taken care off under the recall.
Thanks guys
08-29-2006, 01:33 AM
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trany trany. thats just got annoing. i ve been anylising tihis problem for a preety long time and came up with couple conclusions:
1. transmission failure depends on your driving habbit. these cars are built to be beat on and cl has a highest rate of failures because of it
2. thats the purpose of our cars rigt?!
problem lies between elctronics and machanics. second gear overheat, counershaft breakdown an lockup is caused by partially ecm and hydraulics unable to act fast as transmission wears. switch between strongest low gears is slow and wears clutches 1-2-3
and 2 overheats the most because its in beetween . wile u r on a hard pull gear 1 and switch to 2 clutch of #1 disengage to slow and for a split of a second they are both engaged - thats where heat builds up - from 2 to 3 smame thing both hold for a moment and heat builds up but 2nd gear is to fail because it gets hit twice as much as others.
ecm replacement is ment to delay that process by delying signal to shift coils - thats why people complain about lack of power after ecm change - it an ecm shift delay issue , not limited hp of your engine. Anybody drained you atf recently? lots of metallic sludge on drain plug? thats a friction material from clutches catched up in beetween. Solution? he he : none thats a design flaw - oil jet fix its just a band aid on already burned finger. Prevention ? yes
friction material sludge speeds up break down because even magnetic filter is not able to pick up so much metal dust from clutches - got to change atf frequently from the begining - if you do it later it will even worsen the situation because of high detergency of fresh atf that loosens up sludge buildup iside all hydraulic passages, valve bodies and stuff. Cooler + extra magnetic filter will help just to slow down process. less foot on acceleration will help most - but it is not going to happen
1. transmission failure depends on your driving habbit. these cars are built to be beat on and cl has a highest rate of failures because of it
2. thats the purpose of our cars rigt?!
problem lies between elctronics and machanics. second gear overheat, counershaft breakdown an lockup is caused by partially ecm and hydraulics unable to act fast as transmission wears. switch between strongest low gears is slow and wears clutches 1-2-3
and 2 overheats the most because its in beetween . wile u r on a hard pull gear 1 and switch to 2 clutch of #1 disengage to slow and for a split of a second they are both engaged - thats where heat builds up - from 2 to 3 smame thing both hold for a moment and heat builds up but 2nd gear is to fail because it gets hit twice as much as others.
ecm replacement is ment to delay that process by delying signal to shift coils - thats why people complain about lack of power after ecm change - it an ecm shift delay issue , not limited hp of your engine. Anybody drained you atf recently? lots of metallic sludge on drain plug? thats a friction material from clutches catched up in beetween. Solution? he he : none thats a design flaw - oil jet fix its just a band aid on already burned finger. Prevention ? yes
friction material sludge speeds up break down because even magnetic filter is not able to pick up so much metal dust from clutches - got to change atf frequently from the begining - if you do it later it will even worsen the situation because of high detergency of fresh atf that loosens up sludge buildup iside all hydraulic passages, valve bodies and stuff. Cooler + extra magnetic filter will help just to slow down process. less foot on acceleration will help most - but it is not going to happen
08-31-2006, 02:07 PM
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My 2001 CL-S has 99,500 miles on it...So, today I bring it in to the dealer for service and said - I would like you guys to look at the trans ( I am on my 3rd ) so that if it goes soon, I can come back after 100k and have it covered....They laughed, but were very cool about it and understood my concern.
I just got a call......Transmission number 4 is on the way
Hopefully this will do the trick. Can anyone tell me, how long is the new transmission warranteed for?
I just got a call......Transmission number 4 is on the way
Hopefully this will do the trick. Can anyone tell me, how long is the new transmission warranteed for?
09-10-2006, 04:42 PM
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Now, I don't pretend to be a transmission specialist. But I've checked out the schematics of both the 4-speed and the 5-speed, and the third gear assembly is basically stuck on to the side of the 4-speed unit. It makes me believe that the 3rd gear was simply added-on, without extensive (or enough) testing, bringing huge repercussions. Now they are paying for their mistakes, but it's not enough for us. I believe that we deserve entirely newly designed transmissions, and replaced at no charge. But no, that'll cost waaaay too much. That's why Honda/Acura is doing this recall -- it's only costing them 76-some million dollars and I'm sure in the back of the mind of the executives, they thought, "Hopefully this will make those idiotic public think that our transmission are OK now."
Don't tell me they didn't -- everything points in that direction and it probably is what happened. Bastards. I hope the lawsuit goes well, so we can have a court order to replace all of our transmission with new units designed from scratch. Then they will think twice in the future before screwing their customers over.
Your logic is flawed, The previous 4 speeds used with the C series have no issues with the 3rd gear. Ask just about any pre 98 honda and pre 97 acura owner how those transmissions are. They usually have NO trouble going the life of the car.
this is just an example of a poorly designed transmission for the 4 spds used with the J series motors and if that wasn't enough the same poor decisons made when designing the 5spd auto replacements.
celynka,
these failures are NOT caused by driving habbit, my '98 accord ate 3 transmissions within 11K and it was literally 90% highway driving at 70mph....
this week my CL type S started slamming the 2nd to 3rd shift under light throttle and I will have to drive it about 3K more miles before it will do it each and every time. Then it will be off to the dealer for trans #2.....milage is 41,3xx
09-13-2006, 05:27 PM
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More than a few months now my CL-s has given a very slight jerk feeling under light throttle. it feels like your running over light bumpy road but, the road would be smooth. I never thought anything of it until recently my fiance notice the same feeling from the passenger side. I thought it was just my driving 
Anyways, I tried different techniques like driving in ss mod or using D3 or D4 in the city. I noticed the car would shift smoother under any condition. I even tried shifting from 1 (non ss mode) and it felt better. I changed the fluid once in Jan 06. i bought it at 44k it now has 71k and im on my 2nd year with the car. I'm going to have a full tune-up along with a full tranny service soon. Not sure if the problem will still exist. If so, straight to Acura for to cash in on another tranny.
Also, do you think 4th gen TL or new Accord trannies will bolt up to our engines?
Anyways, I tried different techniques like driving in ss mod or using D3 or D4 in the city. I noticed the car would shift smoother under any condition. I even tried shifting from 1 (non ss mode) and it felt better. I changed the fluid once in Jan 06. i bought it at 44k it now has 71k and im on my 2nd year with the car. I'm going to have a full tune-up along with a full tranny service soon. Not sure if the problem will still exist. If so, straight to Acura for to cash in on another tranny.Also, do you think 4th gen TL or new Accord trannies will bolt up to our engines?
10-08-2006, 10:41 PM
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no as the newest 5sp auto are a 4 shaft design and are physically different from our trans.
12-10-2007, 04:58 PM
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I just bought a 2001 with 138k and I know the recall for the extended warranty doesn't cover me but there's also the other recall about sudden 5-2 gear drop that can cause the wheels to lock up.
I bought it as a not driveable so I'm wondering if you guys had yours towed to the dealer and if they fixed it as good will. The car just wont move and I hear a whine in any gear. I changed the ATF and it was black. I think the clutch packs are all worn.
I bought it as a not driveable so I'm wondering if you guys had yours towed to the dealer and if they fixed it as good will. The car just wont move and I hear a whine in any gear. I changed the ATF and it was black. I think the clutch packs are all worn.
03-31-2008, 03:46 PM
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i just got my 4th tranny in. I was just wondering - has anyone tried lemoning their car due to the constant tranny swaps?? I'm in CA and i do qualify since it's been attempted 4 times for the same repair; my only concern is that I've been reading on several sites that it has to be a "new car" meaning first 18 months or 18K miles. Am i not protected under the lemon law even though there is a recall that does acknowledge a significant defect, less than 18K miles or 90K miles?
02-13-2009, 08:57 AM
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CL Tranny Recall
I bought my 2001 Acura CL brand new and had to replace the transmission. I was not aware of the tranny recall at the time and just found out about it. Did Acura replace the bad transmissions with new ones free of cost?
08-07-2009, 01:03 AM
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I was just wondering if there is any website where you can put in your VIN and see what recalls have been performed or are still open? I thinkI saw something like this awhileback? When I got my CL the guy said the tranny was replaced and he was going to call the dealer and get me the paper work but he never did.
